town hall part 2

Steve Smith is not sure if the Samuel L Jackson TV ad was very effective. He notes something nontraditional in this campaign–in the last few days the undecided vote in propositions usually bump no, but this time they bumped yes.

Karen asks about the civil rights issue

Smith says there was a lot of heated discussion in the campaign about the debate between civil rights and human rights.

Kors talks about the EQCA separate long-term plan Let California Ring–he goes through everything they were doing  and talks about African Americans who were part of the campaign.

Kors also goes into the misperception in the CNN exit poll on the 70 percent Black voters voting Yes.

Karen asks about the evaluation campaign–will it be open?

Lorri jean says they are looking into people who are experts –Michael Fleming is talking to people now about this. they will talk to people inside and the outside the campaign. Jean says her personal view it would not be wise to make the results public. “We don’t want our opponents to have that information.” She says no one on the call has the authority on that, though.

Karen asks who does have the authority–Lorri Jean says the broader executive committee does, and answers Karen question that she would have no problem making public non-strategic items of the analysis.

Karen asks Steve Smith a question from Michael Weinstein about why they didn’t use the Governator more.

Smith explains the 40/40/20 split–40 percent against gay marriage, 40 for it and the 20 movable middle. Smith says women were very important in the campaign, and he thinks the public exit polling was off. Smith says all the private polling men were tougher on us but women didn’t make up the difference.

He said they should have spent a TV track focused on women. He said the issue wasn’t GOP women specifically. He says they used the Governator at the end, and he does best with GOP women.

Karen talks about how one emailer was disappointed with the way they handled the kid issue. They should have known kids were going to be used.

Smith says the kid ad was bogus and they used Jack O’Connell ads to get them back–he says the ad made significant inroads but the lesbian school teacher incident killed them. 

“I think that took women to place where they began to question what was true and what wasn’t,” Smith says.  He thinks when they were unsure, they chose their kids.

Rev. Lee says if there were TV ads of kids of color with gay couples would have increased resistance in the Af-Am community. “We have not come to the point of fully engaging the community without homophobia,” he says, noting more reaching out has to happen.

Karen asks how that is done.

Rev. Lee says you have to engage the pastors. “I did not get the sense there was a significant amount of outreach to the pastors.” He notes that if you’re outside the community it’s hard to figure out where to get in.

He says he didn’t see an outreach to civil rights groups. he notes that the NAACP in LA is not as strong as it used to be or as engaged as it used to be. He says you have to go community by community and not macro in a state like CA. “It’s not one size fits all,” he says.

Karen talks about the Obama statement–she suggests his statement was confusing–not supportive of marriage but against Prop 8. She wants to know if they should have done flyers with prominent Af-Am politicians saying No on 8. Lee thinks that would have been “very effective” to have politicians, religious leaders and community leaders endorsing No on 8.

Lee also points out all the early voting that took place. “If the belief is that the No on 8 campaign did not gear up quickly enough to reframe the message,” they may have lost an opportunity to get to those voters.

Kors notes when the early voting started they were in an $11 million deficit. He talks about all the money the Mormons raised–$25 million on the yes side. Kors says they didn’t go early with the BO statement because it could come back to haunt them because he didn’t belive in amrriage.

Steve says they were in a dilemma. BO as opposed to 8 but he made statements the Yes people could use. Steve said they didn’t know the Mormons had done a very, very aggressive campaign. Smith thought they would be down by just 3 or 4 million.

Smith said about ten percent of votes were cast by time they got economically viable, and it showed.

“it was a problem,” he says.


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